May 17, 2009

Nephilim, Fallen Angels, and Aliens - What Does the Bible Say? by Cathy Burns


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Currently reading a very good book which includes the following info from Chuck Missler which I found troubling:

The Return of the Nephilim? by Chuck Missler
http://khouse.org/articles/1997/22/

This 1997 article is an example why I question the teaching of Missler as he believes the word 'giants' or 'nephlim' which is used in Genesis 6:4 (link) to mean fallen angels or the offspring of the fallen angels and human women. This idea comes from the Book of Enoch (doubtful authenticity/questionalbe accuracy & often quoted by occultists) and such a concept is not found in the Word of God.

The Sorcerer's Apprentice by Chuck Missler
http://khouse.org/articles/2001/314

And in this 2001 article, Missler uses Daniel 2:43 (link) to say:
To "mingle themselves with seed of men," they have to be something other than the seed of men. What can they be? Are they hybrids produced by cloning? Are they Nephilim produced by fallen angels? [12] Whatever they are, they apparently are prolific enough to be included within the idioms of a vision dealing with global political power in the last days!

[12] For a discussion of the strange events of Genesis 6, see our briefing package, The Return of the Nephilim, or the book, Alien Encounters, by Drs. Mark Eastman and Chuck Missler, from this publisher.

The idea of aliens, nephilim, hybrids, cloning etc is appearing more and more frequently in movies, tv, books, games and on the internet. The world is being prepared for a great deception, thus, the many NT warnings for us to take heed that no man deceive us. (Matthew 24, Mark 13, Luke 21, 2 Tim 3, 2 Thes 2, Eph 5 & Rom 16)

Like you, I am seeking the Truth and if it isn't in the scriptures, the Holy Bible - KJV as the modern versions are being changed/corrupted with each revision - I'm not buying it.

Thanks for listening!

May the Truth be revealed, may the lies be exposed, may the deceived wakeup, may the sinner repent, may the lost get saved and may the Lord Jesus Christ be glorified I pray.

blessings & love,
Cathy


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27 Comments:

Blogger charles said...

In the Book of Job....there are 3 references to the "Sons Of God" being Angels.

Job.1

1. [6] Now there was a day when the sons of God came to present themselves before the LORD, and Satan came also among them.

Job.2

1. [1] Again there was a day when the sons of God came to present themselves before the LORD, and Satan came also among them to present himself before the LORD.

Job.38

1. [7] When the morning stars sang together, and all the sons of God shouted for joy?

I came to this reasoning because... (1) Did God allow the earthly line of Seth a free pass to heaven (2) Was the earthly line of Seth so holy they could meet with God in Heaven.

I wouldn't think so.

Remember the following...above are two to three verses that establish a fact.

Matt.18

1. [16] But if he will not hear thee, then take with thee one or two more, that in the mouth of two or three witnesses every word may be established.

2Cor.13

1. [1] This is the third time I am coming to you. In the mouth of two or three witnesses shall every word be established.

5/19/09, 10:44 PM  
Blogger Cathy said...

Hi Charles,

Thanks for stopping by.

Question: You quote Job 1:6; 2:1 & 38:7 saying the phrase, 'sons of God', means 'angels'. How did you come to that conclusion as it does not say angels and the word 'sons' in Hebrew can be used for 'son' or 'child'?

Plus, the same term 'sons of God' is used in the New Testament to mean Christians:

John 1:12
But as many as received him, to them gave he power to become the sons of God, even to them that believe on his name:

Romans 8:14-19
For as many as are led by the Spirit of God, they are the sons of God. For ye have not received the spirit of bondage again to fear; but ye have received the Spirit of adoption, whereby we cry, Abba, Father. The Spirit itself beareth witness with our spirit, that we are the children of God: And if children, then heirs; heirs of God, and joint-heirs with Christ; if so be that we suffer with him, that we may be also glorified together. For I reckon that the sufferings of this present time are not worthy to be compared with the glory which shall be revealed in us. For the earnest expectation of the creature waiteth for the manifestation of the sons of God.

Philippians 2:15
That ye may be blameless and harmless, the sons of God, without rebuke, in the midst of a crooked and perverse nation, among whom ye shine as lights in the world;


1 John 3:1,3
Behold, what manner of love the Father hath bestowed upon us, that we should be called the sons of God: therefore the world knoweth us not, because it knew him not. Beloved, now are we the sons of God, and it doth not yet appear what we shall be: but we know that, when he shall appear, we shall be like him; for we shall see him as he is.

Until next time may we both be lead to the Truth by the Holy Spirit as we search the scriptures daily and may every false teaching be exposed and renounced in the name of the Lord Jesus Christ.

Cathy

5/19/09, 11:29 PM  
Blogger charles said...

Hello Cathy,

I think this subject is intriquing.

You said that in Hebrew "sons" means son or child. That's true.

However...it can be used for angels.

1) son, grandson, child, member of a group

a) son, male child

b) grandson

c) children (pl. - male and female)

d) youth, young men (pl.)

e) young (of animals)

f) sons (as characterisation, i.e. sons of injustice [for un- righteous men] or sons of God [for angels]g) people (of a nation) (pl.)

h) of lifeless things, i.e. sparks, stars, arrows (fig.)

i) a member of a guild, order, class

http://www.blueletterbible.org/lang/lexicon/lexicon.cfm?Strongs=H1121&t=KJV

More later when I have time.

5/20/09, 9:38 AM  
Blogger charles said...

BTW...I'm aware of the verses in the New Testament.

And yes..they refer to Christians.

5/20/09, 9:41 AM  
Blogger charles said...

It appears...like Adam...Angels are the direct creations of God.

Luke.3
1.[38] Which was the son of Enos, which was the son of Seth, which was the son of Adam, which was the son of God.

The offsprings of Adam are not direct creations of God.

Jesus Christ is not the offspring of man so therefore he is the Son of God.

Luke.1
1.[35] And the angel answered and said unto her, The Holy Ghost shall come upon thee, and the power of the Highest shall overshadow thee: therefore also that holy thing which shall be born of thee shall be called the Son of God.

With our old sinful nature we are not Sons Of God. Only through the saving grace of Jesus Christ we are made new creatures.

2Cor.5
1.[17] Therefore if any man be in Christ, he is a new creature: old things are passed away; behold, all things are become new.

1John.3
2.[2] Beloved, now are we the sons of God, and it doth not yet appear what we shall be: but we know that, when he shall appear, we shall be like him; for we shall see him as he is.

5/21/09, 12:14 PM  
Blogger charles said...

I really don't understand where she's coming from on this one.

In video 5 Cathy Burns said spirits don't have flesh and bones.

Clearly Abraham entertained three Angels.

Genesis 18:1-8 And the LORD appeared unto him in the plains of Mamre: and he sat in the tent door in the heat of the day; And he lift up his eyes and looked, and, lo, three men stood by him: and when he saw them, he ran to meet them from the tent door, and bowed himself toward the ground, And said, My Lord, if now I have found favour in thy sight, pass not away, I pray thee, from thy servant: Let a little water, I pray you, be fetched, and wash your feet, and rest yourselves under the tree: And I will fetch a morsel of bread, and comfort ye your hearts; after that ye shall pass on: for therefore are ye come to your servant. And they said, So do, as thou hast said. And Abraham hastened into the tent unto Sarah, and said, Make ready quickly three measures of fine meal, knead it, and make cakes upon the hearth. And Abraham ran unto the herd, and fetcht a calf tender and good, and gave it unto a young man; and he hasted to dress it. And he took butter, and milk, and the calf which he had dressed, and set it before them; and he stood by them under the tree, and they did eat.

Lot entertained two Angels.

Genesis 19:1 And there came two angels to Sodom at even; and Lot sat in the gate of Sodom: and Lot seeing them rose up to meet them; and he bowed himself with his face toward the ground;

Jacob wrestled one Angel

Genesis 32:24-27 And Jacob was left alone; and there wrestled a man with him until the breaking of the day. And when he saw that he prevailed not against him, he touched the hollow of his thigh; and the hollow of Jacob's thigh was out of joint, as he wrestled with him. And he said, Let me go, for the day breaketh. And he said, I will not let thee go, except thou bless me. And he said unto him, What is thy name? And he said, Jacob.

Hebrews 13:2 Be not forgetful to entertain strangers: for thereby some have entertained angels unawares.

5/25/09, 9:33 AM  
Blogger charles said...

Objection is made that the Angels do not marry nor are given in marriage (Lu 20:27-36), therefore they must be "sexless" and could not cohabit with either themselves or human beings. But this does not necessarily follow. The Angels are created beings and do not die, therefore there is no need for marriage to prevent their extermination, but this does not imply that they are "sexless" and do not have the power of procreation. We must not forget that Angels can assume the form of MEN.


Genesis 19:5-11 And they called unto Lot, and said unto him, Where are the men which came in to thee this night? bring them out unto us, that we may know them. And Lot went out at the door unto them, and shut the door after him, And said, I pray you, brethren, do not so wickedly. Behold now, I have two daughters which have not known man; let me, I pray you, bring them out unto you, and do ye to them as is good in your eyes: only unto these men do nothing; for therefore came they under the shadow of my roof. And they said, Stand back. And they said again, This one fellow came in to sojourn, and he will needs be a judge: now will we deal worse with thee, than with them. And they pressed sore upon the man, even Lot, and came near to break the door. But the men put forth their hand, and pulled Lot into the house to them, and shut to the door. And they smote the men that were at the door of the house with blindness, both small and great: so that they wearied themselves to find the door.

5/25/09, 9:45 AM  
Blogger charles said...

On Genesis 19:5-11

I forgot to leave the comment:

The two Angels could have chose fornication with the men of Sodom....but they D
IDN'T out of obedience to GOD.

5/26/09, 5:52 AM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

Charles brings up some excellent points.I will say that Cathy's article refuting Pugh's book was good insofar as some people go beyond the Genesis 6 position of Nephilim being offspring of the Fallen Angels-Bene Elohim- and take a gnostic occultist view.That's why I did take a second look at the whole position.But clearly the ufo enigma is real and even the late satanist as well as people like Strieber have encountered demonic "aliens" entities that look like the greys/grays.Then you have the human element of mind control projects with alien programming and the Report From Iron Mountain and Project Bluebeam.As an aside there is also an Armageddon Script the Illuminati have to foo Zionist Christians.And some disasters are supernatural or natural and others are manmade.The bug problem I have is with the Christians like Missler,Quayle,Deagle[good grief,that guy believes he is the two prophets of Rev.11 rolled into one],Horn,and Dave Flynn.The twisting of Dan.2 is insane.That is referring to a composite beast givernment which is America.But again,the Zionist pop-prophecy teachings open up a can of worms for all eschatological teachings.The people I've mentioned are taking a gnostic view that goes back to Gen.3 and the serpent seed heresy,which Cathy exposes on the Berean Chronicles interview.According to Flynn the two withnesses will appear on July 11th of this year.Although I believe we are nearing the 2nd Coming of Jesus Christ I do not have a belief in a master race of Jews theology or a zionist eschatological worlview.Time will tell.I do kow that Revelation has to be self-interpreting as it says in the beginning it is written in signs and the language of metaphors.The literal truth is there,but ut is buying into the Illunmist's trap to hyperliteralize all Scripture.So,regardless of either position here--Cathy's or Charles,or the other ones out there on Gen.6,lying signs and wonfders are part of the Last Days,and ufos and aliens play a large role in it.When you sudy any transcripts of alien abductions or new ager channeling you will find the demonic gospel preached.To disregard Gen.6 and the whole ufo alien enigma is folly.But like I said it is the twisting of that position to take it back to Gen.3 and then ramble on about cloning Jesus and Antichrist that is the problem.Though you do have to understand that form the Bloodline Illuminati's writungs that they believe in the importance of blood and occult power.Some of it is true,as generational curses and occult power through witchcraft is a reality,just as the power of God can work through the faithful,though not by manipulation,ritual,or on demand.

6/5/09, 11:53 PM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

Hi Cathy.I also want to point out that Charles made a great point on the flesh and bones deal.When we are told in Hebrews about entertaing angels unaware it is obvious form sudying Scripture in its entirety that angels can take on the human nature,albeit temporariliy.So although that doesn't prove the Nephilim and Raphaim,it certainly lends that theory Biblical credence.Bottom line---watch and pray and look up for a redemption that draweth nigh.And put on the whole armor of God to withstand the darts and arrows of Satan and his demons.

6/6/09, 12:02 AM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

Charles is dead wrong on the two angels not choosing sodomy out of obedience to God.They were there to delover lot out of Sodom,and they were not fallen angels,so that proposition is bizarre,unless the point is that they have freewill.Odd way to state that when referring to heavenly angels.But if I'm not mistaken the point is that both heavenly and fallen angels have freewill.Although fallen angels can't reverse their choice now as the Lake of Fire is their destiny,the servants of God still have freewill to disobey,though I don't see that in Scripture overtly so it is not a doctrine,just an opinion.

6/6/09, 12:19 AM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

Cathy Burn's book is really about exposing the gnostic view on this subject although she lumps in Gen'6 as well.I don't have aproblem with what she is saying with regards to the Gen.3 position.Look at the synopsis of her book,and you'll see it is really about refuting Pugh's claims.I don't see conclusive proof of discrediting the Gen.6 position as a stand alone theory.---- Quote: A popular theme today is the topic of the Nephilim, fallen

angels, and aliens. Many TV programs, movies, books, videos,

and role-playing games revolve around extraterrestrial contact,

alien abductions, and hybrids. In this book, Dr. Burns looks at

Genesis 6. Using the Bible as her main source of reference, she

addresses such issues as the “sons of God” in Genesis 6, fallen

angels, giants, DNA, cloning, the Shroud of Turin, hybrids, golems,

Nephilim, the watchers, the “serpent seed,” Cain’s real father, Eve’s

partaking of the tree of the knowledge of good and evil, why Cain

is not listed in Christ’s lineage, why God sent the flood and how

the end times will be “as the days of Noah.” She also has a chapter

dealing with the Book of Enoch and how it compares to the Bible.

6/6/09, 12:24 AM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

The biggest problem about this Gen.3 position with those professing to be Christians is their reverence for extrabiblical sources like Enoch.Look at Flynn's website and forum.I was there for a month or two but gave up as everyone there mixes occult sources and practice such as astrology and numerology into the mix.Not to ecpose but to fashion their eschatology on it... website- http://www.mt.net/~watcher/ forum-- http://watcher.boardzero.com/the-watcher-forum-f3/

6/6/09, 12:27 AM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

You know,the Gen.6 as Nephilim doesn't mean you see Ezekiel and other passages as ufo encounters.Although I disahree with Mike Heiser on many things he does explin those visions as true visions and not ufo scenarios.Also,we have writtenr ecords of ufos going back to the 6th century AD and various types og glyphs going back thousands of years.The whole dispensational position distorts Scripture.Look at the pop-prophecy gurus looking for a revived Rome with the EEC until it went over 13 nation and changed to the EU and they backpeddled.And a literal Babylon in Iraq with the Gulf War.No,America is Babylon and the UN is the housing for that world government.--- The Fall of the United States of Babylon!

"And after these things I saw another angel come down from heaven, having great power; and the earth was lightened with his glory. And he cried mightily with a strong voice, saying, Babylon the great is fallen, is fallen, and is become the habitation of devils, and the hold of every foul spirit, and a cage of every unclean and hateful bird. For all nations have drunk of the wine of the wrath of her fornication, and the kings of the earth have committed fornication with her, and the merchants of the earth are waxed rich through the abundance of her delicacies."

Revelation 18:1-3 http://lasttrumpetnewsletter.org/2009/06_09.html

6/6/09, 12:46 AM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

Incidentally,I do believe the King James Bible is the only true Bible outside of the original manuscripts.And I've heard Cathy and Kelly go on and on about Nef El meaning to fall down and not fallen ones,but that is conjecture.I got your link form Kelly's site.She is dead on in exposing Alex Jones and many other people in the alternative media aka "Truth movement".I gave Jones the benfit of the doubt for years but only because Inever really listened to the guy.I've studies the Illuminati years befroe he even came on the scene.She is wrong about pastor Meyers though.He isn't a fear monger.He preaches hard truths.This nation and the world is apostate to the core.And although Texe Marrs was wrong in promoting Pugh,I have no problem with his exposing zionism,though Kelly thinks he;s an antisemite[correct me if I'm wrong].But the rest of those so-called patriots and ministers she's exposed in her shows are indeed charlatans.They always say you need to buy this or that and that people do not understand anything.Hey,most don'r,but constantly telling people that only they have the answer instead of pointing Jesus is a red flag for any Christian.Quayle,Jones,Bay,Mclamb and Deagle are hypocrites as they claim to be Christians.The rest are overt new agers and occultists.Icke,Maxwell,Tsarion,and a few others are honered by Bullhorn Jones.So yes,for the most part Kelly is on target.I would just encourage anyone that buys into chiliasm--dispensationalism-millenialism- look at Scripture and seek discernment from the Holy Spirt instead of buying into the whole master race theology.Read Gal.3,John 8 and Rev.2:9 and ask the Lord to open their eyes and ears.Take Care.

6/6/09, 1:24 AM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

The late satanist I was referring to in my first post is Aleister Crowley who channeled the demon called Aiwass,and called himself the Great Beast 666.

6/6/09, 1:33 AM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

Yes,the ufo writngs go back at least to the 6th century AD in China from secula historians.The reigious writings go back to the 2nd century AD with the gnostic gospels.It is hard to believe Christians use these at all.I think they rationalize it by saying it is not for doctrine,but in reality they believe these views as if they are doctrine.

6/6/09, 4:28 AM  
Blogger Cathy said...

Dear Anonymous - many thanks for your comments and links on various posts!

Pls drop me an email at cathyjpalmer@yahoo.com

cheers!

Cathy

Zephaniah 3:17
The LORD thy God in the midst of thee is mighty; he will save, he will rejoice over thee with joy; he will rest in his love, he will joy over thee with singing.

6/6/09, 11:30 AM  
Blogger charles said...

Anonymous said...
Charles is dead wrong on the two angels not choosing sodomy out of obedience to God.They were there to delover lot out of Sodom,


Yes....I fully aware....the roll of the two Angels were too deliver Lot.

Genesis 19:12-13 And the men said unto Lot, Hast thou here any besides? son in law, and thy sons, and thy daughters, and whatsoever thou hast in the city, bring them out of this place: For we will destroy this place, because the cry of them is waxen great before the face of the LORD; and the LORD hath sent us to destroy it.


So far as Angels having freewill...well...they chose to sin.

2Pe 2:4
Verse 4. For if God spared not the angels that sinned.

It is morally certain that they must have fallen at some period from a state of holiness, for it can not be believed that God made them wicked.

Jude 1:6
And the angels which kept not their first estate, but left their own habitation

The word rendered habitation occurs nowhere else in the New Testament. It means here that heaven was their native abode or dwelling-place. They left it by sin; but the expression here would seem possibly to mean that they became dissatisfied with their abode, and voluntarily preferred to change it for another. If they did become thus dissatisfied, the cause is wholly unknown.

6/8/09, 9:48 PM  
Blogger Hercules said...

Cathy, interesting blog. I think Chuck Missler does cover some interesting highlights. Yeah a lot of stuff has been covered in the Book of Enoch but its interesting to know that even the author of that book takes notice of the so called giants and hybrid thousands of years ago.

What's your intake with these following verses straight out of the Bible:

Jude 1:6

6And angels who did not keep their own domain, but abandoned their proper abode, He has kept in eternal bonds under darkness for the judgment of the great day, 7just as Sodom and Gomorrah and the cities around them, since they in the same way as these indulged in gross immorality and went after strange flesh, are exhibited as an example in undergoing the punishment of eternal fire.8Yet in the same way these men, also by dreaming, defile the flesh, and reject authority, and revile angelic majesties.



1 Peter 3:18

18For Christ died for sins once for all, the righteous for the unrighteous, to bring you to God. He was put to death in the body but made alive by the Spirit, 19through whom[d] also he went and preached to the spirits in prison 20who disobeyed long ago when God waited patiently in the days of Noah while the ark was being built.

II Peter 2:4-5, 9

“For if God did not spare the angels who sinned, but cast them down to hell and delivered them into chains of darkness, to be reserved for judgment; and did not spare the ancient world, but saved Noah, one of eight people, a preacher of righteousness, bringing in the flood on the world of the ungodly;…..

7/2/09, 7:26 PM  
Blogger Cathy said...

Hi Hercules,
Not sure exactly what you are asking. Please clarify - thanks.

Btw, looks like you are using the New King James Bible. I used to as well until I discovered that it has BIG problems. Please check this out:
http://www.av1611.org/nkjv.html

blessings,
Cathy

7/2/09, 10:59 PM  
Anonymous Derrick said...

Hello Cathy, just wanted to say thank you for being obedient to the word and sharing the gospel and exposing evil and deception. The word of God(King James) is our only reference. Praise God for your work.

9/5/10, 3:35 PM  
Blogger Cathy Palmer said...

Thanks Derrick for the encouragment!

9/5/10, 6:45 PM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

The sons of God have always existed from the book of Gen. Adam was the first son of God though he fell away, and the appointed seed Seth was the replacement for Abel. They are His remnant appointed sons. The full weight of scripture will tell you Abraham was a son of God as well. It is easy to identify them in Gen 4-5-6. Gen 4 & 6 are the two parts cut off, and the remnant seed from ch 5 " Noah" was led through the fire . It is the same story of mingling from the beginning to the end of the bible over and over.

The Nephalim is a fable of Jews first recorded in the post cross age written by Josephus, it is really a Hellenistic Jewish fable. And totally goes against scripture. Think about it logically I'm sure God would not give half breed angels 120 years to repent, that does not make any since at all. Plus God said he destroyed the word for ONLY ONE REASON. THE WICKEDNESS OF MAN. It says nothing about the wickedness of angels. This fallen angel story is as silly as the 7 year treaty that give the works of Christ who confirmed the covenant in Daniel ch 9, over to the antichrist which is never mentioned in the entire chapter. This is Just More end times confusion.

GEN CH 6
5 And God saw that the (((wickedness of man was great in the earth))), and that every imagination of the thoughts of his heart was only evil continually.
6 And it repented the LORD that he had made man on the earth, and it grieved him at his heart.
7 And the LORD said, I will destroy man whom I have created from the face of the earth; both man, and beast, and the creeping thing, and the fowls of the air; for it repenteth me that I have made them.

Cain was a man born to Eve, but Seth was a son born to Eve, as God had appointed her "another seed" to replace Abel. Then it gives Cains generations who were separated in the land of Nod, and they began to partake in earthly desires, while the line of Seth began to call upon the Lord. As time had gone by these sons mixed with the ways of man (daughters) and became lukewarm (mingling), as to the time of Noah, he was the only one left. God waited for Methuselah to die, before He flooded the world.

Compare the two Enoch's in Gen, and the two Lamech's in Gen. The are the complete opposites. This is the same story as Esau and Jacob.

It is even possible that Cain and Able were twins, although scripture does not openly state that, but it does subtly hint that it may have been possible. This same story is in the Kingdom of Solomon as well, as he mingled with strange wife's who brought in different Gods, this is why Solomon did not carry the seed appointment unto Jesus, Nathan was the 34th seed carrier as the seed went around Solomons linage.

Noah was perfect in his generations and walked with God. Yes the Lord also has angels who are sons of God as well. If you learn the patterns and formula's in scripture they always repeat, in fact Gen ch 2-6 are the whole condensed version of the bible. Same story over, and over it just keeps getting bigger. Christ the redeemer is first mentioned in Gen ch 3-22 " lest he put forth his hand, and take also of the tree of life, and eat, and live for ever"-- Christ is the tree of life.

I have a lot of notes on this subject, and I hope to do an audio on the in the near future. Probably would take from 1 to 2 hours. If I do I will send it to you Cathy.


God Bless
Bill Johnson

10/5/10, 9:17 PM  
Blogger RandyM said...

I have presented material on both sides of the Nephillim argument over the years, including over six hours of shows with Paul Sandhu who argued against the Nephillim as hybrids of angelic beings and humans. My conclusion is that the Bible DOES present evidence to support the human/fallen ones intermingling...IF one reads without prejudice.

On the other hand, the Bible is not a history book, although it has some history; it is not a book on anthropology, or science, or many other subjects..."if one only has a hammer, everything looks like a nail..." To conclude, solely on the cursory evidence one reads in the Bible that the Nephillim story is bunk, is to ignore a huge body of evidence to one's own harm. If you read it with understanding, and apply that understanding to reach a conclusion, then we just disagree...but basing an opinion on the Bible ONLY is irredeemably ignorant.

I not only find no conflict in the evidence of scores of external writings on the Nephillim with scripture, but find they affirm the Biblical accounts. Arguing on the semantics of the words "sons of God", translated out of two different languages is sophistry, not scholarship---God did not tell you to be stupid! Can you get the ball scores from the Bible? Can you repair an engine from the Bible? Why do you insist the Bible is the end-all-be-all Swiss Army Knife of all things?

Not even the Bible itself supports that kind of insular thinking. I will be glad to provide my own proofs as why I think the accounts of Genesis 6 point to a human-hybridization program---and WHY this matters now more than ever.

Randy Maugans-The Threshing Floor/Exotica

4/14/11, 6:22 PM  
Blogger Ephraiyim said...

The interviewer mentions that The Dead Sea Scrolls were "pagan" writings. Actually many were scripture and some were commentary that was contemporary to Jesus written, possibly by a known and accepted sect of Jews. I am not saying they were accurate in their commentary only that we can learn from them.
Everything must line up with scripture but unless one is a Hebrew, Aramaic and Greek scholar one is likely to need to depend on human translators who were fallible.
One example is that of the KJV. There never was a writer in the Bible named James. It was made up on orders to the translators by King James to find his name in scripture. He desired to prove hies right to rule as "God's annointed". The whole divine rights of Kings thing.
The name of the Author was Y'acov or Jaqcob. Now how does anyone turn Jacob into James. Common folks do some real looking into just how translators have twisted things to fit the doctrines of their day.
This is why Jesus, Y'shua said that the Holy Spirit would be our teacher. He is the voice of God to us and will confirm, correct or otherwise reveal what is going on when we read the Word.
That is not to say w do not discern through study and handling of Scripture. If what we are "hearing" does not line up with scripture we, at the very least, shelve it until more is revealed to us through scripture.
I have changed many of my doctrines over the years as I have studied more. Not the basic tenants of the faith but certainly the ones that have nothing to do with my salvation.
We were never called to "Major on the Minors" so to speak. We are called to go into all the world and preach the gospel. We are not called to endless debates on minor doctrinal differences.
When we stand before Him on that Day I suspect we will find we were wrong about most things and spent an inordinate amount of time on things that were temporal and not eternal that we thought otherwise about.

8/7/11, 4:01 PM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

It is very simple............

GOD only created man in HIS image, not the angels, therefore only man can be called, 'Sons of GOD'. Those 'Sons of GOD' in the throne in Job, are those men who have died and their spirits with the Lord. An angel and a woman can not mate, get married, or bear children, that is a doctrine of devils which is not found in the BIBLE itslf, only outside of the WORD of GOD. Acts 17 tells us all men were made of one blood, there is no satanic bloodine, those are all lies, there are only those saved (sons of GOD), and those unsaved (sons of man).............May GOD have all the glory!

8/14/11, 1:28 AM  

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