July 05, 2008

Comments from David and Nicole regarding Todd Bentley

Below are comments by David and Nicole which I thought very interesting (source):

COMMENT BY DAVID

What will it take for God to convince you that He wants to move in the affairs of men? How religious can you be? Your arguments are exactly the same as the Pharisees!!! The Pharisees called Jesus a devil and the demons and the people called Him God. These are the signs Jesus did to convince John the Baptist of the authenticity of His ministry. Not much has changed in 2000 years. I love you. God loves you. But you are way, way, off. How many blind eyes have you opened. How many sinners have come to Jesus through your ministry? How many revival movements have started from your ministry? Have you gone overseas and led successful crusades in Muslim countries? As Jesus said, if you don't believe in this, just believe for the work's sake! A man can't do this without God. God will show up in a form that offends us. He does it time after time. We all have our little religious boxes so that we can shoot at others that don't have exactly the same box! Let's come out of our boxes and join together to see Jesus Christ glorified in all the world! It will take all of us. Even Todd Bentley! We will be all be surprised who is in heaven and who is not!!

God bless you!

David

COMMENT BY NICOLE

David,
I see your sincerety and love for the bretheren. But we must consider that their are two complete opposite sides and both sides are sincere in belief. We must address this. Only one side is in the truth. All I could suggest is that we should let Jesus decide for us. If all would first read the gospels again to get to know the heart of Jesus once again, then we could judge by the words of Jesus in this situation.

I understand the argument you use: Jesus (mind of Christ) versus the Pharisee (mind of religious flesh). But this can't be used on behalf of Bentley and the miracles, because Bentley is not Jesus. Jesus came one time and yes miracles were used to show that He was the son of God. That will never happen again with another person. Your side is treating Todd Bentley as if he is Jesus. Todd and any other preacher with a message must be strictly held up to the standards in the word and mind of Christ the one and only head, to be either in the faith or not, to be true or false. You can not judge by the miracles. Jesus prepared us for these last days where these false prophets and Christs will perform miracles. We are warned to not take part with them. God set it up so that ONLY Jesus could use miracles to prove He was from God, because He was God. His words are God. His words are directly attached to the miracles performed by Jesus ONLY. Jesus and the miracles can not be separated. This is not true for any other man past, present, or future. So, a prophet today, must preach the same mind and words of Christ, or he is false, and of the flesh and the miracles don't matter in the judgement. The judgement is made by the mind of Christ ONLY.

Let me ask you, If Todd Bentley does not fit the description Jesus gave us of an endtime false prophet or Christ, then who would fit that description? Someone has to, or Jesus is a liar. He said there would be many false, so who is false then? There have to be some because Jesus said many false prophets and christs will rise up and deceive many. The word many describes the broad way that leads to destruction. Listen to wisdom....these words of Jesus are in the order in which He spoke them, hear the clear message concerning this very debate we are having......the scripture is Matt 7:13-27. I am putting them here without the writing the book, chapter and verse to let you read it in full context and meaning without breaks in the message.
Try to imagine Jesus speaking this to you as you sit together face to face with him.
David, my son, Enter ye in at the strait gate: for wide is the gate, and broad is the way, that leadeth to destruction, and many there be which go in thereat: Because strait is the gate, and narrow is the way, which leadeth unto life, and few there be that find it. Beware of false prophets, which come to you in sheep's clothing, but inwardly they are ravening wolves. Ye shall know them by their fruits. Do men gather grapes of thorns, or figs of thistles? Even so every good tree bringeth forth good fruit; but a corrupt tree bringeth forth evil fruit. A good tree cannot bring forth evil fruit, neither can a corrupt tree bring forth good fruit. Every tree that bringeth not forth good fruit is hewn down, and cast into the fire. Wherefore by their fruits ye shall know them. Not every one that saith unto me, Lord, Lord, shall enter into the kingdom of heaven; but he that doeth the will of my Father which is in heaven. Many will say to me in that day, Lord, Lord, have we not prophesied in thy name? and in thy name have cast out devils? and in thy name done many wonderful works? And then will I profess unto them, I never knew you: depart from me, ye that work iniquity. Therefore whosoever heareth these sayings of mine, and doeth them, I will liken him unto a wise man, which built his house upon a rock: And the rain descended, and the floods came, and the winds blew, and beat upon that house; and it fell not: for it was founded upon a rock. And every one that heareth these sayings of mine, and doeth them not, shall be likened unto a foolish man, which built his house upon the sand: And the rain descended, and the floods came, and the winds blew, and beat upon that house; and it fell: and great was the fall of it.

The "fruits" Jesus speaks of is not miracles coming forth through a ministry. It is the fruits of the person's behavior and words that come forth from his heart. Does he say and do the words of Jesus in the gospels? Does he have the mind of Christ? Jesus is saying that if you are corrupt, then what you produce will be corrupt. You can do nothing without Christ. Todd Bentley does not have the mind of Christ and does not abide in the true Christ. He brings forth fruit, but inside it is bad. It looks good on the outside. He is imparting corrupt deception to his hearers. That is his fruit.

I have not even touched on Matthew 24 yet, where Jesus instructs and warns us intensely on what to stay away from and what to expect and what to do in order to keep us in this narrow path in these end times we are now in, just before Jesus returns again.
Sorry about the length, but David, I hope you receive truth from this.
In The Name of Christ, Nicole

4 Comments:

Blogger JP said...

Keith Miller Chuck Pierce and Todd Bentley's Conference in Denton July 3,2008 was outstanding!! About 10,000 attended. The negative comments on the blogs were 25 to 1 against Todd Bentley. How wrong they all are!! This is the first move of God where many of the knowledgeable bible believing Evangelicals are not on board with what God is doing in our day.

7/5/08, 11:16 AM  
Blogger Cathy said...

Following a false prophet is not wisdom, JP.

Quotes by Chuck Pierce:
"We’ve made a lot of mistakes. There’s no excuse but we need to do better"

"And I wanna ask forgiveness for immaturity and a lack of accuracy."

"I wanna take governmental responsibility and ask you to forgive the inaccuracy of the office."

(National School of the prophets Chuck Pierce May 13, 2000)

Read more here: http://www.letusreason.org/latrain23.htm

7/5/08, 12:07 PM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

Cathy,

I agree that Jesus used miracles to prove that is the Son of God. But in your reply to David you make it sound like Jesus is the only one who ever had a miracle take place in their ministry. I hope that was not your intent. Because my Bible states that Jesus sent His followers out in groups of two to minister to people. Those same followers came back amazed and bearing tales of different miracles that had taken place when they prayed for people. Paul had miracles in his ministry. As well as Peter and many in the Old Testament. God even used a Donkey! My point is, God can use whomever and whatever He wants to accomplish His great and glorious plans. I understand that we have to careful and try the spirits as the Word warns to do. But we must also be cautious not to condemn someone else's ministry because God chooses to use them in a different way than He uses us.
On a side note, every minister (including you and me) are human and we make mistakes. Jesus was the only perfect person to ever live. I'm sure that all ministers have to apologize and repent for mistakes from time to time. Thank you for your time.

Be Blessed,
D. Smith

7/5/08, 4:12 PM  
Blogger Cathy said...

Hi D. Smith,
Actually, this was Nicole's reply to David - not mine. Nevertheless, I support her points.

David is saying that Bentley is from God because of the miracles.

Nicole is saying that the Lord Jesus Christ warns us that false prophets will do miracles so this is not how we judge people.

Lord Jesus in John 7:24 tells us, "Judge not according to the appearance, but judge righteous judgment."

blessings,
Cathy

7/5/08, 4:31 PM  

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